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Title:
Mandatory Health Care Will Make America Sicko
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September 19, 2007
Hillary Clinton rolled out her universal (“mandatory”) healthcare plan (“Hillary-Care”), wading onto a polarized battleground on a dominant 2008 election issue. "Here in America, people are dying because they couldn't get the care they needed when they were sick," Clinton said, as she unveiled the initiative, which will require all Americans to take out a healthcare insurance policy. I believe everyone, every man, woman and child, should have quality affordable healthcare in America," Clinton said on the new plan for a country which lacks a state-funded universal national healthcare system.
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Only a tiny percentage of people don't have some sort of health care and of that small fraction there are some so rich they don't care. Interesting that this has become such a giant topic.
posted by skywalker(247) 11 months and 14 days ago
Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Hillary's plan. But I have to wonder where you got your info on the uninsured. According to the Census Bureau, the number of uninsured Americans rose to a new high of 47 million in 2006, some 15.8 percent of the population. That's not exactly a tiny fraction.
posted by Thor(350) 11 months and 13 days ago
Aspiring Patriot
It sucks that there isn't affordable healthcare in this country. If you work part-time, for a small company or for yourself, you are left out in the cold. However, I remain skeptical that Hillary's plan is going to really improve life for any of the people I mentioned.
posted by Cass(350) 11 months and 13 days ago
Aspiring Patriot
I think that we should offer free, government-sponsored preventive care for everyone (shots, birth control, diabetes screenings, etc.) It's pretty cheap and it saves a lot of money if you can treat early. But we should continue to have optional health insurance for the rest of it.
posted by Bella(350) 11 months and 13 days ago
Aspiring Patriot
At least she is doing something. The health care system in this country is atrocious. I pay $240 a month for crappy coverage for me and my wife. A $500 deductible and a 30-40% copay and for me, that's the best deal in town.
posted by Peter(350) 11 months and 13 days ago
Aspiring Patriot
The problem is that there is no way to set up a program that gives top-notch care for every man, woman and child. It's just too expensive. You can provide basic care for all, but the high-end stuff will remain out of most people's reach. It's just economics.
posted by southboca(700) 11 months and 13 days ago
Aspiring Patriot
The federal government just doesn't have a very good track record for overseeing and adminstering massive social works programs. Perhaps they'd be better off outsourcing the whole mess.
posted by Kat(650) 11 months and 13 days ago
Aspiring Patriot
In response to Thor: The Democrats are using this number of uninsured, but this includes all of the illegal immigrants. If you take the illegals and people who choose not to have coverage then the number is only a fraction of the American population.
posted by sweetnothing(387) 11 months and 13 days ago
Mayor
In response to Peter: Look at this article from OBDediorials.com on what life was like without health insurance:
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By THOMAS SOWELL | Posted Tuesday, September 04, 2007 4:30 PM PT
During the first 30 years of my life, I had no health insurance. Neither did a lot of other people in those days.
During those 30 years, I had a broken arm, a broken jaw, a badly injured shoulder and miscellaneous other medical problems. To say that my income was below average during those years would be a euphemism.
How did I manage? The same way everybody else managed: I went to doctors, and I paid them directly, instead of paying indirectly through taxes.
This was all before politicians gave us the idea that the things we could not afford individually we could somehow afford collectively through the magic of government.
When my jaw was broken, I was treated in an emergency room and was given a bill for $50 — which was like a king's ransom to me at the time, 1949. But I paid it off in installments over a period of months.
Like most young people, I was lucky enough not to have any heavy-duty medical expenses that would have required major operations or a long hospital stay.
That is still true for most young people today, which is why many people in their twenties do not choose to pay for medical insurance, even when they can afford it.
They know that, in an emergency, they can always go to an emergency room. And today the idea that you ought to pay for that out of your own pocket is considered almost quaint in some quarters.
It is not uncommon — especially in California, with its large illegal immigrant population — for hospitals to have to shut down because so few people pay for the emergency room care they receive.
There are, of course, people with huge medical bills that they cannot possibly pay. Believe it or not, that also happened back before the modern welfare state. Some hospitals — whether public or private — could absorb such costs, with the help of donors. There were people with polio living in iron lungs, which is why rich and poor alike gave money to the March of Dimes.
But that is very different from hospitals being stiffed every day by emergency room users whose only emergency is that they want to keep their money to spend on fun, instead of on doctors.
The biggest of the big lies in the "health care" hype is that a lack of insurance means a lack of medical care. The second biggest lie is that health care and medical care are the same thing.
Doctors cannot stop you from ruining your health in a hundred different ways, so statistics on everything from infant mortality to AIDS are not proof of a need for government to take over medical treatment.
Few people show the slightest interest in what has actually happened in countries with government-controlled medical care. We are apparently supposed to follow those countries' example without asking about the months that people in those countries spend on waiting lists for medical treatments that Americans get just by picking up a phone and making an appointment.
It is amazing how many people seem uninterested in why so many doctors in Britain are from Third World countries with lower medical standards — or why people from Canada come to the U.S. for medical treatment that they could get cheaper at home.
Government price controls on pharmaceutical drugs are more of the same illusion of something for nothing. People who urge us to follow countries that control the prices of medications seem uninterested in the fact that those countries depend on the U.S. to create new drugs, after they destroyed incentives to do so in their own countries.
Since it takes more than a decade to create a new drug, a politician can be elected president by hyping price controls on drugs, spend eight years in the White House, and be living in retirement before people start to notice that we no longer get the kinds of new medications that successively conquered deadly diseases in the past.
posted by sweetnothing(387) 11 months and 13 days ago
Mayor
In response to sweetnothing:Average life expectancy in 1949 -- the good old days -- was 66 years. Today, it's closer to 75. This is due largely to costly medical advances. If we stayed with pay as you go healthcare, chances are you wouldn't live as long, because you wouldn't be able to afford more advanced care.
posted by southboca(700) 10 months and 19 days ago
Aspiring Patriot
In response to sweetnothing:$50 is a lot less than it would cost today, even after you add in inflation.
posted by Peter(350) 10 months and 19 days ago
Aspiring Patriot
It may be better than nothing. But I still haven't heard enough details to show how it will work without bankrupting the nation.
posted by Bella(350) 10 months and 19 days ago
Aspiring Patriot
Having healthcare is a good idea. But, I don't like the idea of the government telling me I have to have healthcare. It seems very Big Brother.
posted by mike(100) 10 months and 18 days ago
Aspiring Patriot
Mandatory healthcare is a good idea. I'm just not sure that Hillary's plan is the answer to our problems. It seems a little short on substance to me.
posted by corinthians(250) 10 months and 18 days ago
Aspiring Patriot
It's a nice idea. However, big programs run by the government are rarely efficient and often do far more harm than good.
posted by Thor(350) 10 months and 18 days ago
Aspiring Patriot

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